Grateful Dead Live at P.N.E. Coliseum on 1974-05-17
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d1t01 - The Promised Land
d1t02 - Deal
d1t03 - The Race Is On
d1t04 - Ramble On Rose
d1t05 - Jack Straw
d1t06 - Dire Wolf
d1t07 - Beat It On Down The Line
d1t08 - Loose Lucy
d1t09 - Big River
d1t10 - It Must Have Been The Roses
d1t11 - Mexicali Blues
d1t12 - Row Jimmy
d2t01 - Playing In The Band
d2t02 - U.S. Blues
d2t03 - Me And My Uncle
d2t04 - Ship Of Fools
d2t05 - Money Money
d2t06 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d2t07 - I Know You Rider
d2t08 - Greatest Story Ever Told
d2t09 - Sugaree
d3t01 - Truckin' ->
d3t02 - Nobody's Fault But Mine ->
d3t03 - Eyes Of The World ->
d3t04 - China Doll
d3t05 - Sugar Magnolia
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|The Promised Land|
|The Race Is On|
|Ramble On Rose|
|Beat It On Down The Line|
|It Must Have Been The Roses|
|Playing In The Band|
|Me And My Uncle|
|Ship Of Fools|
|China Cat Sunflower ->|
|I Know You Rider|
|Greatest Story Ever Told|
|Nobody's Fault But Mine ->|
|Eyes Of The World ->|
Unknown Mics -> Cassette Master -> Cassette -> HD (shnid=28041) supplies:
The Promised Land (0:32 - 0:35)
Unknown Mics -> Cassette Master -> HD (shnid=28041) supplies:
Playing In The Band (16:58 - 17:24)
-- All disc changes are seamless
-- Many flaws cleaned up
-- This source has more tuning than the other circulating sources
-- Reel flip in China Doll cleaned up with crossfade
-- Thanks to Joe B. Jones for his help with the pitch correction
-- Patch source was slow but has been fixed
- 2008-04-29 05:56:09
- CD -> Samplitude Professional v10.02 -> Cool Edit Pro v2.0 -> FLAC
- Vancouver, BC, Canada
- Run time
- Transferred by
- Charlie Miller
- P.N.E. Coliseum
Subject: Playin 5 Stars
Subject: Last BC
The 3rd night of the complete Wall of Sound, with the band still learning to live-mix the system (the 5/17 soundcheck at Pacific Coliseum). Hastings Park has a horse track, a skatepark, an amusement park, a farmer's market, an outdoor theater and 4 venue buildings. The Dead played the Coliseum, the Agrodome, and the Auditorium (but Jer never bounced the sound of Rosebud off the skatepark coping). The Auditorium was one of the first places they played outside of the Bay Area; and they built up a fan base here, so it's too bad they didn't go back after the '75 hiatus. A decent show, even if the previous night is better-regarded.
First Set. The SBD wasn't attended-to yet for Promised Land, so obviously use the AUD (matrix still needed!). A few secs are missing from the first verse on the official release. Deal goes straight to X-factor (listen to a pitch-corrected version). The rest is average '74 (if not the tightest) through Beat it on Down the Line-6 and Row. However, Big River stands out as a peak, along with a Playin' that's one of the most interesting of the tour. It goes out there, which seems like nowhere at first, until a dark feedback section that also has whiffs of Caution. It's quite the snap when the ether evaporates and yr plopped back in. Must hear once; also has some major Donnaskreech™. The official has a cut of 26secs @17mins.
Second Set. The top of the set's great. U.S. Blues has one of Jer's best-ever solos; it's all attack. Me & My Uncle (bottle/jaw) is still aggro. Money Money is the first of only three (when it was still called Finance Blues). It's the live version on Mars, but not the best (see 5/19). On Mars it has some sort of compression filter, making the box version slightly better. Jer, Keith & Bobby are good; Donna not so much (off key and too high in the mix). Supposedly it was dropped because only Bobby thought it was funny - which sounds like a bit of retconning. A superb China Cat has a Feelin' Groovy (@6:40; but check Bobby starting @6:00!), and dig the 2nd solo in Know You Rider: how does Jer do the steel guitar sound? Crazy. Greatest Story is great with the Jer wah - not so much the jarring Donnaskreech™. Sugaree is not an exciting version and Truckin' is Bobby-flubbed and has mic dropouts (that came with the fickle and unreliable Wall of Sound). But the end jam is fine. Nobody's Fault But Mine has a nice tempo. Not all '74s have lyrics. The set center is the Eyes. Even if Bobby and Donna are on different verses, Jer is incredible through several peaks. Phil thunder-chords the seg-in to an otherwise rote China Doll (on the official the first 1 :07 is from 7/31/74), and they stay out for Sugar Mag, rather than encore.
1st Set: C+
2nd Set: B
Overall = 3½ stars
Promised Land - straight out t'gate
Big River - Jer doing what he do
U.S. Blues - actually, one of his best-ever USB solos
Me & My Uncle - the energy from USB
China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider - so good, and gets you feelin' groovy
Eyes of the World - even with minor quibbles the peaks are crazy
SOURCES: The miller_89972 is the most complete between songs, sounds best, and is pitch-corrected (except for Deal, which needs +1% pitch). The gustin_202 sounds almost the same but plays too slow in a few places. Money Money is a bonus on From the Mars Hotel. Most of the show was released in the Pacific Northwest box, except for edited versions of Playing, Promised Land & China Doll. Believe It If You Need It has Sugaree & Eyes. There's a fun, ahead-of-it's-day, handmade AUD (use for Promised Land; repitch at +1%).
DMTrue13 - Vancouver was a popular stop early on. They played 8-10 times. 5 were at Hastings Park.
July 29 & 30, 1966 - Trips Festival - Garden Auditorium (Hastings); bonus disc on 1st album
August 3, 1966 - Promo free show, Alexandra Park, quickly shut down
August 5, 1966 - The Afterthought (Pender St. Auditorium)
July 13, 1967 - Daily Flash Love-In - Agrodome (Hastings)
July 14 & 15, 1967 - Dante's (Retinal Circus/Embassy Ballroom); there's no evidence they played either or both dates, but there was a '67 promo appearance in some public space on one of these 7/67 days
June 22, 1973 - Coliseum (Hastings); Pac NW box
May 17, 1974 - Coliseum (Hastings); Pac NW box
There were two cancelled festival performances:
*Soul Explosion at the PNE/Hastings Coliseum, in 11/68
*Vancouver Pop Festival in Brackendale, in 8/69
Canada total = 32-34 shows
Subject: Don't Pass This One By!
Big River, Ship of Fools, Must've Been the Roses, Sugaree, (2nd Set!!) and China Cat> Rider. And I've heard a ton of versions of all of these. The China-Rider here is what I recommend you play for anyone brand-new to the Dead and enthusiastic, or someone skeptical and unfamiliar. If they don't "get it" after hearing that, then they just don't have a very musical mind to start with.
This Sugaree beats any I've ever heard from '77 or any other year. But I'm partial to the early-mid '70s to begin with, so that's just my personal take on it. Regardless, crank it up!
Subject: Playing in the Band
Subject: It Must Have Been the ROSES...
The Dead's sound in 74 is just right.
I really like the Ramble on Rose / Jack Straw
Dire Wolf sounds somewhat out of place.
but even tunes that I do not normally gravitate towards like Mexicali and Big River are well played and sound great.
The mellow Jerry tunes in set one THE ROSES and ROW JIMMY are just so slow and trippy
And 23 minutes of P.I.T.B
U.S. Blues/ Me & My Uncle/ Ship of Fools/ Money,Money/ On paper this might get by you but I found this to be some pretty stinging social commentary.
I have no clue how Me & My Uncle fits in with the three other songs but taken as a whole I would say these tunes speak volumes about the post Vietnam War world the country was heading into.
Very good China>Rider firmly in the 2nd set.
Greatest Story/Now I like Donna and I will tell you why- when she gives out some howls during GSET that is just what I would do or something in a deeper voice for a dude. But really she is feeling the music and to me that is what counts.
I can't tell you how many mini-jam sessions outside of shows that just blew me away.
Sugaree/Perhaps the ultimate I can't stop you but I tried my best song.
Truckin (They regroup from a blown intro and rock this pretty good)>Nobodies Fault =A very traditional tune and at the end of the day I have come to find that the Bible has shed more light on the human condition than even the Grateful Dead did for me. Thank You JESUS! Thanks Jerry.
>Eyes=Oh these EYES from 73 and 74 are just so hot. The jam at the end of this EYES is intense!
And then > China Doll /Sugar Magnolia (I will take that to close a show anyday, anytime)
"She can make happy, any man alive!!!"
Subject: Shrieking Freaks
Subject: 5 17 74
Subject: smokin' 74' show!
Subject: Simply put . . .
Subject: 74 Dead
Subject: Row Jimmy
Subject: More Kudos for Charlie
Good show from the May 1974 Northwestern swing.
Subject: Another Charlie Miller Masterpiece
Subject: CHARLIE MILLER DID IT AGAIN!!!!
(used to be a four star show; after B.G. and C.M. got through with it, it's now DEFINITELY a FIVE STAR SHOW!! HANDS DOWN!!!!!!!!!!)
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